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haikaiTALKS: a saturday gathering! 7th December

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Updated: Dec 10, 2024

haikaiTALKS: Double Kigo| a saturday gathering under the banyan tree


host: Lev Hart 7th December 2024


haikaiTALKS: a saturday gathering under the banyan tree


DOUBLE KIGO

Your host for haikaiTALKS: Lev Hart


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DOUBLE KIGO


Hello, Everyone!


A few weeks ago, I invited the group to suggest topics. marilyn ashbaugh responded, “I find myself writing haiku with 2 kigo, especially at the change of seasons. When is it okay to use 2 within the same season?” Knowing that I was way out of my depth, I dug through the Triveni archives, selected twelve haiku with double kigo, and sent them to Keiko Izawa, beseeching her help. The poets’ names were not attached. Here are the two she chose as examples of double kigo being used well, along with her commentaries:


       Basically, haiku with two or more kigo is not recommended in traditional haiku,

       especially if they come from different seasons. Two kigo from the same season

       can work if they complement one another, with no interference from each other.

       With these considerations, I selected the following two haiku:


              spring morning

              on the handle of my spade

              a robin waits


              (Keith Evetts, HAIKUsutradhar, Jan. 06, 2024.)


       If my memory is correct, this ku might be Keith’s. According to my search, the

       breeding season for robins in the UK usually begins in March and lasts until July. 

       In this ku, "spring morning" and "robin" match well as spring kigo, without conflict.

       I can feel the spring morning light and the robin on the spade handle in the

       soft sunlight. Also, “robin waits” alludes to our joy and expectations toward spring

       after the cold winter months.


              returning geese

              a spring gust muscles

              through the clouds


              (marilyn ashbaugh, thinkALONG! March 29, 2024.)


       The double spring kigo, returning geese and spring gust in this ku make

       a good toriawase. The movement of returning geese and the energy of

       the spring gust convey the rich moment of the spring sky in a harmonious way.


This week’s goal is two write haiku, each with double kigo chosen from the same season. Choose images that work with each other, not against each other. Avoid the shopworn. Strive for originality.


Thank you, Keiko. Deep bow to you.


“A Dictionary of Haiku Classified by Season Words with Traditional and Modern Methods,” by Jane Reichhold:


indian subcontinent SAIJIKI:


The Five Hundred Essential Japanese Season Words:


The World Kigo Database:


The Yuki Teikei Haiku Season Word List:


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Thank you for doing this for us, Keiko and Lev

Members,

Please give your feedback on others' commentary and poems too. _()_

This is an exciting phase for haikaiTALKS! Have fun! Keep writing and commenting! _kala

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Kalyanee
Kalyanee
Dec 13, 2024

#2

Revision. Thank you, Lev. Couldn't revise/edit in the previous post. The written words get deleted. So posting the revised version here.


the      of     icicle

    tips an          fringe         moments

frozen

Kalyanee Arandhara

Assam, India


Feedback most welcome


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Barrie Levine
Barrie Levine
Dec 13, 2024

#1 – 12/13/2024

 

gran’s summer house

just enough night

for the sleeping porch

 

Barrie Levine, USA

(feedback welcome)

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Kalyanee
Kalyanee
Dec 12, 2024

12.12.24

#2

(Not sure whether it makes some sense. I find this event so fascinating.)


the tips of

awry icicle fringe

frozen moments


Kalyanee Arandhara

Assam, India


Feedback most welcome

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lev hart
lev hart
Dec 13, 2024
Replying to

The noun "fringe" requires an article, but I'm not sure that L2 requires "awry." Perhaps something like:


the of icicle

tips an fringe         moments

frozen


the an fringe moments

of frozen

tips icicle


Concrete haiku is a way of showing, instead of telling. Here, the poetic structure hopes to show the "awry" pattern of an icicle fringe, making the word itself unnecessary.

Edited
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Kala Ramesh
Kala Ramesh
Dec 11, 2024

https://www.trivenihaikai.in/post/celebration

The Touchstone and Red Moon Anthology selections are up.

Lets celebrate!

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Sandip Chauhan
Sandip Chauhan
Dec 11, 2024

#2 spring awakening

a pulse of bees

in almond blossoms Sandip Chauhan, USA

feedback welcome

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